Doug Hale supports governmental reform
Nettles credits Doug Hale, a young state representative, with having enabled the passage of the ethics law proposed by Common Cause, a nonprofit advocacy organization founded in 1970 that had little support in Alabama. To do so, Nettles said, Hale took a great political risk, demonstrating his character and honesty.
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Oral History Interview with Bert Nettles, July 13, 1974. Interview A-0015. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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Comment on Doug Hale, who's a young engineer who is now
completing his law school work in Cumberlandin
Birmingham. Has several accomplishments. He is the person, I think, who
deserves the most credit for getting the ethics law passed through the
Alabama legislature. If you're familiar with this . . . . It's the
common cause ethics bill and it's probably the strongest ethics law of
any state in the country. So strong that the courts are just
emasculating it daily. They're letting out one group after another. And
soon only going to apply to the legislators, is my prediction. But it
was in committee. The speaker of the house . . . . The senate had voted
it, had killed it. Common cause bill that had been introduced into the
senate by senator George Lewisand Richard
Dominick. The house bill was in an unfavorable committee that was
dominated by former house speaker Rankin Fite. Speaker
had placed it in that committee to ensure its
death. Was very much opposed to it himself and said that he would not
run for re-election if it passed. And he's not running for re-election.
In any event, the committee refused . . . finally forced the committee
to have a meeting. Doug Hale was a co-sponsor of the bill. Helped draft
it and was one of the two sponsors of it. Representative Hill of
Florence was the man whose name appeared first on it, but he began to
sort of back off when he saw the hostility of the house leadership,
legislative leadership generally, to the bill. So Doug, contrary to the
advice of most people, took the floor on the last possible day to force
the bill out of committee and something that had never been done in
modern times in the house. Force a bill to be voted out of a committee.
There is a procedure under the house rules for this, but it
had-
- JACK BASS:
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Just roll call vote?
- BERT NETTLES:
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On a rollcall vote.
- JACK BASS:
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What's required to have a roll call vote in the house?
- WALTER DE VRIES:
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Is it a discharge?
- BERT NETTLES:
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Have 10%.
- JACK BASS:
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10% of the members present?
- BERT NETTLES:
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10% of the members present or voting can force a roll call vote. Its not
really that much of a problem. Just a matter of the speaker recognizing
that 10% call for ayes and noes. Then the speaker says, calls for ayes
and noes that support it.
- WALTER DE VRIES:
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Yeah, but a discharge motion requiresmembers
elected.
- BERT NETTLES:
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Discharge motion . . . it requires a majority, a simple majority. And
this is in effect what that was.I forgot. But
it was a discharge motion and it was filed on the last day it could be
filed and still in proper sequence to have it voted on. And the
newspapers picked it up and it became a real big thing. On the next
succeeding day, legislative day, he did go to the mike and speak, force
the discharge motion and forced it to a vote. And it passed by a good
margin. And from then on it was downhill all the way. The newspapers had
picked it up and once you were able to force a vote, a recorded vote,
then it was all over. The house passed it. What they did . . . and one
of the things that is hurting the bill so much now . . . a lot of the
opponents of the bill loaded it up with some very ill advised
amendments, trying to make it so severe in some ways that . . . . If
fact newspaper, all news media people were brought under the bill. That
was later knocked out by the federal court. But several such amendments
were offerred to make it unpalatable. Yet it passed.
- JACK BASS:
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Is Common Cause a strong organization in Alabama?
- BERT NETTLES:
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No, very weak. But it does have some good ideas. Many of us in the
legislature have tried to pick up the good ideas that are offerred, such
as the ethics legislation, and try to push that. What I'm saying is,
this was a man who said "I've got nothing to lose. I'm not
bucking for a committee chairmanship. I'm not bucking for promotion. I'm
not concerned about patronage from the governor." So he went
andso to speak when the house leadership,
legislative leadership said "We don't want anybody touching
that discharge petition." He went to the mike and made the
motion.