Southern Republicans on voting rights, busing, and the ERA
Reed discusses his stance and that of southern Republicans on issues such as the voting rights, school busing, and the Equal Rights Amendment. His comments reveal the ways in which southern Republicans responded to particularly relevant national issues of the mid-1970s.
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Oral History Interview with Clarke Reed, April 2, 1974. Interview A-0113. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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Of course really I'm
[unclear] about the voting rights act. If it
weren't for the voting rights act it wouldn't be
in the Department of Justice. And Mitchell had the idea the voting
rights act should be nation-wide. But Congress said oh no, you know,
there are no votes [stolen?] in Chicago. And if we have nationwide
enforcement of this sort of thing then it will dilute the enforcement in
the South. So it's still southern.
- WALTER DEVRIES:
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Do you want to see it extended?
- CLARKE REED:
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Tell you, it's been a pretty good thing down here. It sure
solved a lot of arguments. I mean when the kooks start hollering
they're stealing the election, well, it's nice to
have those registrars say no it wasn't.
We probably have the more honest elections in the country.
- WALTER DEVRIES:
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So you want to see it extended?
- CLARKE REED:
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I'd like to see it extended or taken out of the South.
Philosophically I have a hard time saying extended, but I
can't help think it would be a good thing.
- WALTER DEVRIES:
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If it were not extended, what do you think it would mean? It would mean
that the black registration would decrease and black participation would
decrease?
- CLARKE REED:
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I can't cite no statistics or anything, but I'm
confident it would in no way.
- WALTER DEVRIES:
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You think those changes are permanent?
- CLARKE REED:
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Absolutely.
- WALTER DEVRIES:
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Along that line, what if the anti-busing passed the House and essentially
just kind of freed up the school situation?
- CLARKE REED:
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Well, as I understand it, Walter, They've got a separate rule
for the South. They say you bus to segregate and now you've
got to bus to integrate. I think whatever goes in still won't
take the rural South off the hook. Now it may affect Jackson,
Mississippi. But that's the only place in the state it would
affect.
- WALTER DEVRIES:
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So it wouldn't really change much?
- CLARKE REED:
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It would change some, but see, neighborhoods in the South are pretty
much—I mean, like this town is kind of all over. There would
be more near black and white schools, but it would be a long way from
complete. It would be a long way from going back.
- WALTER DEVRIES:
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Are you for that provision that provision that passed the Congress?
- CLARKE REED:
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Frankly, I'm very [unclear]
about it. I just don't like this
constitutional amendment business every five minutes.
I'm opposed to amending the constitution except on major
things and I don't think busing is one that should be in the
constitution.
- WALTER DEVRIES:
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What about the ERA?
- CLARKE REED:
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I'm opposed to it. Got no big hang up on it. Dont like the
quota system. I think you're right. If women, where
they're doing the same job and not getting the same pay, then
I'd like to see some [unclear]
But where do you stop with this sort of thing? Is she not a supervisor
because she's a woman? Well, she may not be algood
supervisor. I mean being a woman may be a problem. I think
that's God deal But I think women
have been getting a raw deal when I know we ourself have hired women,
paid them less for the same job. My present secretary [is a
blackmailer]. Pay her more than most men in town get. Blackmail. She
threatened to quit. That's all it took.