Split in the Democratic Party and Talmadge's decision to remain a Democrat
Talmadge briefly describes the split within the Democratic Party in 1964 when several prominent Democrats switched over to the Republican Party. Strom Thurmond was one of those Democrats-turned-Republican and when Thurmond left the party, Talmadge says that he received some pressure from his constituents to follow suit. Nevertheless, Talmadge insists that he never seriously considered doing so. Talmadge explains that he was liberal on some issues and more conservative on others and he believed that there was room in both of the major parties for diversity and variation.
Citing this Excerpt
Oral History Interview with Herman Talmadge, July 29 and August 1, 1975. Interview A-0331-2. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
Full Text of the Excerpt
- JACK NELSON:
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This is an interview with Senator Herman Talmadge on July 29, 1975.
Senator, can we go back to Georgia politics and the Democratic party? I
believe that it was in 1964, wasn't it, that several of your colleagues
in the Democratic party decided to change parties?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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I believe that it was '64. That was the Goldwater race, I believe, and
that was '64. Five statehouse officials who were elected as Democrats
switched over to the Republican party.
- JACK NELSON:
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There was Crawford Pilcher and . . .
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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Crawford Pilcher, who was a member of the Public Service Commission,
Alpha Fowler, who was a member of the Public Service Commission, Jack
Ray, who was State Treasurer, Phil Campbell, who was Commissioner of
Agriculture and Jimmy Bentley, who was Comptroller General.
- JACK NELSON:
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The State Insurance Commission.
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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That's right.
- JACK NELSON:
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Now, at least one of those office holders came to talk to you about
it.
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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Yes, Jimmy Bentley . . .
- JACK NELSON:
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Who had been your executive secretary.
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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He was visiting Washington and in his capacity as president of the
National Insurance Regulating Commission and he came by to see me about
two days before that letter was made public in the news media in
Georgia. He informed me of what these five statehouse officials were
going to do. I spent about an hour trying to
dissuade him from making that switch from the Democratic to the
Republican party. I got the impression that my arguments were
penetrating his mind but that all of them had crossed the Rubicon
together at a previous meeting and he would not change his mind.
- JACK NELSON:
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Was there any pressure on you at that time or any other time to ever get
out of the Democratic party?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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No . . . well, of course, when Strom Thurmond switched from the
Democratic party to the Republican party, I got several hundred letters
and telegrams from Georgians urging me to do likewise and in my reply to
them, I pointed out that we had two elements in the Democratic party and
two elements in the Republican party, that the Republican party of
Javits and Case and Earl Warren was no more attractive to me than some
elements in my own party.
- JACK NELSON:
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So, you never really gave any serious consideration to it?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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No.
- JACK NELSON:
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In other words, you never really felt that the party was leaving you
either, because it is such a diversified party?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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Oh, the Democratic party has always covered every segment of the American
society and it boxes the compass of all political opinion. I find myself
comfortable with some members of the Democratic party and uncomfortable
with others. The same thing is true in the Republican party.
- JACK NELSON:
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You would describe yourself generally as a conservative?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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Oh, it depends on your point of view. I think that this
"liberal-conservative" term has been much abused. Some
people would consider me a wild-eyed radical on many issues and other
people would consider me a reactionary beyond
redemption. I usually have three rules on voting on measures: one is, is
it constitutional? Two is, is it in the state and national interest?
Three, can we afford it? If I resolve all those issues in the
affirmative, I usually vote "aye." If I resolve them
in the negative, I usually vote, "no."
- JACK NELSON:
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Well, you are a fiscal conservative, there's not much question about
that?
- SENATOR HERMAN TALMADGE:
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Yes.