Title:Oral History Interview with Virginia Grantham, March 6, 1985.
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Title of transcript: Oral History Interview with Virginia Grantham,
March 6, 1985. Interview F-0017. Southern Oral History Program
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Title of series: Series F. Fellowship of Southern Churchmen, 1983-1985.
Southern Oral History Program Collection (F-0017)
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Interview with Virginia Grantham, March 6, 1985. Interview F-0017.
Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007)
Grantham,
Virginia, interviewee
Interview Participants
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM, interviewee
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD, interviewer
[TAPE 1, SIDE A]
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[START OF TAPE 1, SIDE A]
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
That's all right I have got plenty of tapes. At the University of North
Carolina library has the papers of the Fellowship of Southern
Churchmen.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Do they?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
And they want copies of the materials that I gather as well including the
interviews that I do. But I will need to send you a release form to sign
for that. First of all, I would like just a little bit of information
about yourself, where you were born.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh, I was born in Nashville.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
In Nashville?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
You are a native Nashvillian. You went to college here as well?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
No, I really didn't grow up here. I grew up in a number of different
cities, and most of them southern except for one, staying in
Cincinatti.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Oh, what did you father do?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
He was a Good Year toured over the country man.
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
So he moved around a lot. And your mother was just a homemaker? Just a
homemaker?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
That's right. She was dragged around. That is what it amounted to.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Do you recall when you first got connected to the Fellowship?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, I think now that it was in Ridgeburg, North Carolina. Did they have
a group?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Okay. I didn't know that I had got attached to some group there, that was
interested in desegration which was my first experience with anything
like this and the way. And I know the way that I got involved in that
was because I had a little part time job with a Quaker Minister
there.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Oh, who there?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
See, I don't remember a thing. It is marvelous.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
There were several Quakers there who were related to the Fellowship.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes, and this was a middle aged man and all I remember was that after
several years I left there, he transfered to California or some
place.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
That wasn't Tarp Bell was it?
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VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
No, I remember that name, but it wasn' him. And anyway I think it was
through him that and the churches philosophy that I got connected with
that little group. That is all I can remember.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
You were a Quaker then?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
No, I don't remember how I had come in to get the job. Maybe it was
advertised or something. It was part time, church secretary.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
What denomination were you?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
At that time I was Baptist. I have been several since if you are
interested in that.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Go ahead. Well, not particularly. I am more interested in that time
period.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
That was sort of the breaking away point once I got interested in the
Quakers. I have never been a Quaker.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
They are interesting people.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh yes, goodness.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Did your husband teach at the college there?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes, you know he is an American Historic.
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Right.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
And he taught there at U.N.C., Greensbourgh.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
About what year was this, that?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
It must have been about 1948. We were there for two years. Now wait a
minute let me see, 1949, 1950, 1951, something like that for two years,
two academic years.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
What did the Greensbourgh group do? Did they meet together in the
Fellowship group?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
They met and I don't recall any details. I just sort of remember getting
together and once or twice we must of had some dinners together, maybe a
pot luck dinners together. I think it was at that church that we
met.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
At the Quaker Fellowship?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
I don't remember any other place that we could have met.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
That was my next question, where you would have. And then from
Greensbourgh you moved to here?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Here, yes.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
And you picked up your activity with the Fellowship group here?
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VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yeah, and the reason and I think the connection was the Fusons. We had
met them maybe through that group in North Carolina. They didn't live
there, but I can't remember how it was that we met. But anyhow when we
came here we made contact with them, and then through them got involved
in the group here.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
That would have been in the early fifties then.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yeah, we came here in '52. So that is how I kind of tried to date that
Greensbourgh.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Right, and the Nashville group, where has it met or did it meet?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yeah, it met some. It must have met some. I guess it must have been in
your black church or at Fisk (because that is where the Fusons were).
And that is the only two places. I don't know what black church, because
I just can't remember where else, it was difficult to find places to
meet with integrated groups then.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes, I went to Divinity School in Vanderbilt.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh, did you?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
In the late fifties.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh, okay. And see this was early fifties.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Right, and it hadn't changed much by sixty when I finished.
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Did the group in Nashville do anything other than get together
occasionally? That you recall?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
That's, no I am sure there were other things but I just can't remember. I
guess one of the ideas must have been being a small group in the start
and make some kind of connections with each other and then try to expand
that in some way. But I don't remember what specific ways they had in
mind.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
You were probably a member of a lot of other things in Nashville.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Where would you place the Fellowship in the context of those other
memberships? How important was it to you?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, it was very important to me. I mean I felt it was something
different, I mean it had an exciting aspect to it because I felt it was
something new that you know would have a real impact at some point in
the desegregation process. And you know it was really exciting to me to
be involved in something like that. It sort of ran on the forefront.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Do you have any idea about how many people would get together?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
It was fairly small, twenty, a hundred.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Do you remember any of the names?
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VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Fusons, and Wilson Welch for some strange reason I remember him. I don't
know you know the names I gave you over the phone, I don't know if any
of those were involved in that or not. Like the Comptons. This sounds
real peculiar, but there is a man who lives across the street from us
whose name I cannot, he is a retired man, and he moved in some time
after we did, and it seems to me that that man must had been a member of
that group. But I have never, you know all we do is nod and smile at
each other, but I am just as sure as I am sitting here almost that that
man was one of those. And if you wanted to be brave and go knock on his
door and ask him I am sure he would be very friendly. I don't even know
what his name is. His first name is Oscar, and I can't remember…
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Oscar?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yeah. And see you know his name is not on his mail box.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
I have got a list of membership.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
You have got a list of names.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
A list of membership of different time periods. I think around then all I
had was 1957, there were no real records kept between '50 and '57 that I
have been able to locate.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
No even, have you been able to talk with Pearson's?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
I talked with him long distance for a few minutes last week.
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VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
And he doesn't have any records?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
No, what he has is here in Nashville.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes, and there is not way to get to them?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
No, I will have to get in touch with him when he gets back here.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
I would expect you would get more from them than almost anybody else.
Because they are always, they were sort of the leaders in things like
this. Not just this but other things church related.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Would you react to some names for me? Some of them you may never heard
of. That is fine, that is an impression too.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Okay. I'll remember.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Nelle Morton?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
I don't know.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Warren Ashby?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
What kind of person was he?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Now, we knew him in Greensbourgh, and that may be another connection I
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had in getting into the group then because he
was teaching at Greensbourgh. And they lived fairly close to us. And she
worked at the Y I remember, and I would see her.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
What kind of person was Warren?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh, he was, I felt a marvelous person; you know getting involved in this
kind of work and all this. I just remember him giving talks and being
very impressed by him, that's it.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Harold Wilkinson?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
No.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
I think he is President of Greensboro now.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Is he?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
But he was elsewhere in North Carolina at the time. Charles Jones?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
No.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
What about Scotty Cowan. Have you ever run into him?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, I heard the name but that is it.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Buck Kester?
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VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes. I have heard a lot about him because he was here at, was here at
Scaret. And it seems to me that he was fairly close to the Fusons, so I
guess I have really heard it more second hand than first, from them
talking about it, having a lot of contact.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Did you ever run into A. D. Vitel?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
No.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
At one time he was Pastor of College Side Congregational Church here. I
don't know if it still exists even.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Never heard of it.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
I need to check that out. That he was later President of Taladeka College
and Guildford College and such.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
My feeling is that a lot of these names you have mentioned Dewey would
know something about. Even though he was not terribly active in those
things, those names would mean something.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Everett Tilson?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes. But I can't remember. I can't remember, but that name is very
familiar.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
He was on the faculty at the Divinity School at Vanderbilt.
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VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh, is he involved in it?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes, those conferences in 1957 held at Bethany Hills…
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
In 1957?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes, on human relations and race, and Everett was in charge of that. He
was the chair of getting it organized and everything.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
I remember going to some conference in Bethany Hills, but it may not have
been that one.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Martin Luther King was the midline speaker.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh, well no, then I wasn't there for that.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
That was back at Baker, that was about the last thing the Fellowship did
as a total organization. The last major conference they held and
all.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Was it? I see. There was a year or two that we were away and that always,
that always interfered with my continuity of thought and action and
memory.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Do you know which two years? About?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Which year? Let's see, it must have been '54-'55 we were away, '55-'56.
And about that time it must have been a '60 something.
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Okay. That just gives me an awareness of years the gathering might
be.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
I can tell you one thing about the time that we were away in the sixties.
It was a time when the Human Relations Committee or Conference was
formed here. Now you have probably heard of that. It got some, but that
one thing does stick in my mind because when we came we were in
California then we came back and somebody told me about it and said,
‘Don't, are you sure you want to be a member?’ And I said, ‘Yes, I am
going to be a member.’ And so that, I can place that thing in that year.
Do you have the date of when it formed?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
No, but I can get it.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, anyway, that is where… and I guess that other had just sort of
faded out by that time.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
The Fellowship?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Are you familiar with the Committee of Southern Churchmen?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, yes I have heard of that because Will Campbell was in that. And
ever since I have known Will Campbell I have heard of that.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
How long have you known Will?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well I guess I met him during those early years in the Fellowship of
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Southern Churchmen.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
It is just here.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Julian Fryer? Is that a name?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Okay. Yes, he was active. Very active.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
In fact, Eddie Greensboro was in it at that time.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Greensboro?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
No, he wasn't in Greensboro he was in Nashville. And now he is in
Knoxville.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
That's right.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
I interviewed him about a year ago. And he is still connected with the
Committee of Southern Churchmen.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Is he?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes. He was the Chairman or President of it until this current year. So
he is sort of the continuous between the two groups.
Why don't we react to Will Campbell? What was Will Campbell like?
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VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh, he is a delightful person, that is what Will is like. Because he is
so, so different from anybody else that you ever met anywhere at any
time.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
In what way?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, first is his, you know, in his religious orientation is so
different. And then I think he has got tremendous influence in among the
people that he moves. And you know this commitment I guess you would
call it to what he calls the "redneck" group. You know where else do you
find anybody else like that, with the liberal ideas connected to it,
which makes a lot of paradox.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
It does.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
It is fascinating, you know. What is coming next? It's for the record.
And you know he is really a very deep thinking person I have found.
I have just recently run upon an obituary I guess you would call it that
he wrote for the mother of some friends of his, and it was beautiful. I
mean it was…
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Where was this?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Where did I read it?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
The family has a copy of it.
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Oh, the family has a copy of it.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
The family has a copy of it.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes, I talked with John, the Edgerton family. You know the Edgertons?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, it's his mother.
Yes. Oh, John Ed's mother.
Yes, and Will wrote this beautiful eulogy, that is what it would be a
eulogy of John's mother after she died that was read at the funeral
service. And it was beautiful. And you know it just really shows so much
of Will, and him thinking and appreciating the good things in people and
how he can express it.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
He has a way.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
And I have read a couple of his books too.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Sure. Brother Turn Around?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yeah, that one.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yeah. Did you ever know Alice Kester?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
No, just heard of her. Isn't that Buck's wife?
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Buck's wife.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes, I just sort of remember hearing about her, I don't remember anything
about her.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
George Mayhew?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
A slight memory of him, because he was on the faculty and then retired to
go to Florida. He was sort of impressive, that is sort of what I
remember. An impressive man coming from a background he did and being
interested in these issues.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
What kind of background?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, I guess I mean Vanderbilt professors, that's all I mean.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Okay. Right. Daughters?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
I don't know anything about his family.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
What about Alba Taylor?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
That sort of sounds familiar, but I don't know.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
He is another Vanderbilt faculty member, but Vanderbilt fired him.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh.
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Particularly over this issue.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Was he? Over what?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Primarily his labor positions.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
It wasn't at the time of the big flare up of Jim Lawson?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
In the sixties, no.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Earlier.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
No, much earlier than that. I think late forties, early fifties.
Did you ever catch a note of socialism in the Fellowship? Or was it
primarily concerned with race?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, it may have been. I suppose there was an element of socialism. I
have never given it much thought but I think it probably was in there.
It depends upon what your definition of socialism is, I guess.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Well, yes there's a socialism, but in terms of better distribution.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Probably, I just don't remember that as a definite issue. I just think it
may have been kind of a underlining.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Well, the context of that is that when the Fellowship was first organized
in 1934.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Excuse me.
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Sure.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
I was too naive too, but whatever.
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Well, by the fifties.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
It had changed. We were trying to see how much it had changed.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, if I had been more sharp I would have probably picked up more of
that. But I was just sort of interested in the other aspects.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Do you know of any relationship between the Fellowship and the sit-in
movement in the sixties, in 1960?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, I always assumed there was some connection, but I can't put my
finger on it.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
You don't know any of the people in it who actually participated in it or
anything like that?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Participated in?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Sit-ins.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Oh well, yeah, I saw a lot of the people here that we talked about were
involved in the sit-ins. I think so because I always thought it was more
or less the same group of people.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
They were the kind of folks that would do that kind of thing.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yeah, right. And I was involved in them, so to a sort of fringe extent if
you are talking about, let me think about dates here, you are talking
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about around 1960.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes, February 1960, Jim Lawson.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yes, well it seems to me that a little bit after that there was some
other sit-ins. And I think was the ones that I was somewhere in
there.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
I left here in the sixties, so I am familiar with what went on in
Nashville.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Lunch counter sit-ins that is what I am talking about.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yeah, that's the ones I am talking about. A lot…
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Yeah, I was involved in that and my memory is of these people that we
talked about were involved in it to.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
What do you think was the significance of the Fellowship?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well for me, I will just have to speak for me, because I am sure a lot of
things just passed over my head. For me, it was getting involved in some
kind of desegregation movement, where you know we had contact crossed
radical lines as well as economic lines, that's what.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Do you think it had an impact on the South?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
That's really hard for me to say, since I'm white. I remember the only
place I knew about were Greensboro and here and so I don't think I can
speak for being just here and Greensboro.
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DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Is there anything else I ought to be aware of about it?
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Gathering all of the people I can think of that were involved I don't
know if there are others that…Well the question was are there other
things you ought to know about it. There probably are other things but I
don't know what they are. But I just feel that there are some people
that were involved in this that have a much deeper understanding of what
was going on and a much greater memory of what was going on.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
That's true with anything. But I am…
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Like Gideon Fryer.
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Sure, Nell Morton was the head of it for five years before Buck Kester in
the fifties. For example I spent a couple of days with her hoping…
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Well, surely, did you get a lot of information?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Oh, yes, yes.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
I would think so. Was Ann Queen's name brought up?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes.
VIRGINIA GRANTHAM:
Okay. Well, her name is just widespread isn't it—over so many things?
DALLAS A. BLANCHARD:
Yes. I haven't had a chance to interview her yet, but I am going to
shortly.