Learning discipline and social justice in childhood
Simkins describes her parents' efforts to ensure that their children were well-behaved, well-educated, and cognizant of social injustice. Particularly interesting is how Simkins recalls that her mother used to always read accounts of lynchings and racial violence to the children so that they were aware of such injustices. Also imprinted in Simkins' mind was her father's practice of standing up to acts of intimidation, intended to instill fear. She goes on to describe the role of discipline in the household, identifying her mother as the primary disciplinarian.
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Oral History Interview with Modjeska Simkins, July 28, 1976. Interview G-0056-2. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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She made particular effort to acquaint us with things as
they were, no matter how cruel or atrocious they might be. She read just
about all the lynchings, and how these people were mutilated or treated
during lynchings. In fact, we were in Huntsville, Alabama when they had
a lynching there, and my father told us how one of the lynchers came in
and showed him the finger of this Negro. My father was a fearless man.
He came in and showed it to my father, as though to intimidate him, I
guess.
My father was noted for the backing of chimneys. You remember seeing
that, perhaps, but there's a certain way if you have a fireplace that
you lay the bricks in the chimney that makes sure that you're going to
have a draft instead of smoke blowing out. And he was noted for that.
Even in his late years here in Columbia it was well known that he just
had a kind of special skill in backing chimneys. And so when they built
these factories they'd have rows and rows of factory houses all looking
just alike. You've seen some of them; they've passed
out of existence right now. But then he would have to go and back the
chimneys in every one of those factory houses. And he was backing a
chimney one Saturday afternoon when this fellow came in and showed him
this finger that was cut off this Negro. I guess they wanted to
intimidate him as a Negro, you know, knowing that he was well thought
of, I guess, by the construction company. But my father was a fearless
man. He offered to fight them with his trowel and hammer. They didn't
bother him anymore. I guess most of the Negroes in that area were kind
of groveling creatures, you know. And the lynchers just "met a
pharoah that knew not Joseph," as the Bible says. I didn't have
any problem; they didn't try to intimidate him anymore. Now that was in
Huntsville, Alabama. My oldest brother was born in Huntsville while we
were there, while my father was there working.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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Are there any differences between your mother and your father? How did
they get along with each other?
- MODJESKA SIMKINS:
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Fine. They had maybe little tiffs like the average family will have. My
father never wanted her to whip us, so most of the things would come up
about that. And then my father was a very soft-hearted man. I am like
that myself; I just can hardly turn away a person that appears to be in
trouble or in need. So my father was like that. And then my father was a
very soft-hearted man. I am like that myself; I just can hardly turn
away a person that appears to be in trouble or in need. So my father was
like that. And although he had an income above average for that time he
would sometimes help a fellow, and my mother would say, "Oh
that no-good, you're helping him and you need it for your
children." And she used to tell me sometimes, "You're
going to be just like your daddy; you 're going to die in the poorhouse.
You give this and you give that, and you can't turn anybody
down." And I'm still the same way—I think about it
all the time—I'm very soft when it comes to need or
apparent need. So most of the differences that I
remember were concerning that: his soft-heartedness, the ease with which
he could be … some-times taken in, I would say. Well, she was
the strong hand when it came to maintaining financial stability. Now he
didn't throw away any money like some men might on drink or gambling or
something like that. His only weakness was that he was soft-hearted
toward any person in apparent need. And of course she always felt that
she had to hold that tight hand on what she had. And when he came home,
I've seen him many a time come and throw that pay envelope right in her
lap. She didn't demand it, but that's what he'd do. He'd come home:
"Well, here it is, Rachel." He'd buy the groceries and
come home with a sack of groceries on his back. And you could take two
dollars then and buy enough groceries almost to have enough for a mule
to pull. He'd have this bag across his back when he'd walk from the
carline down to our house, about a mile and a quarter. And what he had
left from the groceries, then the bag of candy he bought every Saturday
for the children. "Here it is, Rachel;" he'd give her
the whole envelope. Well, she was the financier of the family.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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Was she also the disciplinarian of the children?
- MODJESKA SIMKINS:
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Yes, for the most part she took care of that. I guess that came about in
large measure because when we first were coming up… You see,
before time for me to start school they did mostly this traveling. Then
when it was time for me to be put in school, then they settled down in
our homestead that we'd had all the time. So then my father would go
different places and work, maybe two or three months at a time, or three
or four weeks or whatever it was. Sometimes he would go in a group and
work a while and maybe come back weekends or like that. So at that time
she had us to herself. And she believed in using a
switch. And sometimes he would say, "Oh Rachel, let the
children alone; they're not as bad as you say they are." And
I've seen on two or three occasions that he'd try to stop the whipping.
She would just turn the child loose and give him three or four whacks
[laughter].
And she said, "I don't know how long I'm going to live
with these children, but I know if I don't straighten them out somebody
will." Now we weren't that bad, but she didn't let us get an
inch. She said, "If I give you an inch you'll take an
L." Whatever that is, that's what she always said.
- JACQUELYN HALL:
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Were your parents very strict with you?
- MODJESKA SIMKINS:
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Well, I would say they were positive. Now, not strict in the sense that
sometimes people think, that they've had a hard, fast rules that you
were used to doing this. I've heard my mother say sometimes if you
dared… Of course back then children didn't hardly ask their
mothers why, you know. Your mother or father'd say thus and so, that was
it; that was the law of the Medes and the Persians. But sometimes there
was an occasion when she'd say, "Now listen, you do this
because I said to." Sometimes you'd get to that point. Now
strictly from the standpoint of being almost what you might say cruel in
trying to see that something would be done, it was more being just
positive. And you understood that evidently when they said that they'd
thought it through.