Experience of segregated schooling
Cook talks about the experiences of segregated schooling in Badin, North Carolina, during the late 1910s and early 1920s. Cook recalls how, as an African American student, his learning experience was inferior to that of white students. Because the schools were owned and run by Alcoa Aluminum Company, Cook held them largely responsible for disparities in childrens' education.
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Oral History Interview with Clyde Cook, July 10, 1977. Interview H-0003. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- ROSEMARIE HESTER:
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Do you remember the principal E. G. Harris?
- CLYDE COOK:
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I do.
- ROSEMARIE HESTER:
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What do you remember about him?
- CLYDE COOK:
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Well, really the name
[laughter]
more than anything else. I really wasn't old enough at that time
to know anything about what kind of administration he was actually
carrying at that time. I remember Harris mighty
well, because Badin was in the… I guess you'd call it the
reconstruction area in the old school buildings, and it was an
overcrowded town, and so he had quite a bit of problems trying to
control the school along the blacks along in those days. But what type
of leadership he had as a principal, I'm not able to say that. I really
don't know.
- ROSEMARIE HESTER:
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How did you feel about the school where you attended?
- CLYDE COOK:
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I felt… Let me say I never was completely satisfied about the
school situation. Because you know at that time there was two separate
schools, a white school and a black school. And of course, as the courts
know and everybody else knows, the black schools were the less fortunate
schools. When I say the "less fortunate," we was cut
short. I recall mighty well that I never did get new books for my class;
I'd get books that they'd moved from the white school to the black
school. And if the pages of the lesson were torn out, I would have to
try to get it out of some other schoolmate's book. I didn't have no way
to look forward to. And so I always had a resentment and had a feeling
in me that has followed me all of my life, that it was unfair. Of
course, at that time I didn't see the day that integration of the
schools was taking place, but I still said that I was very concerned and
I was in no way satisfied with the way that the school was being
operated at that time, with a white school and a black school.
- ROSEMARIE HESTER:
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Who did you feel was responsible?
- CLYDE COOK:
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[Laughter]
Well, at that time the schools in Badin belonged to the Alcoa
Aluminum Company. I don't know; they changed names
two or three times. They might have been Light and Power Company, or
they could have been… I don't recall just now. But it wasn't
a county, it wasn't a state-operated school. The Alcoa hired the
teachers and they paid them and they paid the school administrators and
all themselves at that time.
- ROSEMARIE HESTER:
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So you held them pretty much responsible.
- CLYDE COOK:
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Yes, I do. Well, that was just sort of general for basis for schools at
that age anyway, for white and black, not only in Badin. That was
practically the principle that was being laid down and followed in the
other areas, that you found practically the same thing, that whatever
the whites left would be in the black schools, is what they would have
to use to make our .