An independent streak drives a long career
Jones describes his career making pipes at Pomona Terracotta Company, starting off minding drying pipes, performing maintenance work, and eventually supervising a crew of twenty-three men. He was fiercely independent and did not care to be told how to do his job, he remembers, but his independence and capability appeared to earn him the respect of his employers.
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Oral History Interview with Johnnie Jones, August 27, 1976. Interview H-0273. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- BRENT GLASS:
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Do you remember your first job that you had there?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Yes, I worked with the trimming bunch. You know, they make the pipe, set
them out on the floor. They set there so long, then you go turn them
over. That's the first job I had. Then I got on up a little
larger. I went up and went to feeding the press: that's
running the mud in there to make the pipe out of. I left there and went
down and went to tempering the clay: that's making it up.
- BRENT GLASS:
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You mixed the clay with what, with water?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Water. I left there and went to the setting bunch: where they set them in
the kiln. I worked there awhile. Then I left there. I don't
know, I just worked everywhere; I done everything. Ain't
nothing that I haven't done. And then as time rolled on I
went to making pipe.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Where? What do you mean by that?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Pressing them out, with steam. Yes, press them out and run them out, run
them out of the press.
- BRENT GLASS:
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So you did the job of putting them in the press, and then later on you
took them… ?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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No, you'd run the mud in there; a man upstairs run the mud in
there. You had a lever to pull to make the pipe. I don't know
what you were ever here when they made them with
steam. I don't know what you've ever been by here.
You ever been here before?
- BRENT GLASS:
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Yes.
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Do you remember when they'd make pipe with steam? Had a steam
press.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Oh, oh, yes, right.
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Yes. In fact you'd hear "chow, chow chow
chow"; you heared it like that. But every time you'd
hear that thing go "chow, chow, chow,"
that's a pipe made. That's right.
I don't know what; I can't tell you what all I
ain't done over there. Then I got smart enough to go to
setting up the forms for the pipe: changing everything up to make a
different pipe. And then I left there and got to be a maintenance man. I
don't care what it was, they just called me. I remember once
I was over there and my brother (I learned him how to run a machine, you
know, over there), and he was over there. And the superintendent come by
and told me, he said, "James is in trouble. Go around there and
see what's the matter with him." Well I walked up
there and stood and looked. I asked him—we called him
Curly—I said, "Curly, what's the
matter?" He said, "I can't get this thing
to run here." I said, "If you put it on the track
it'll run." He said, "Well I'll
be damned." He said, "I've been here
messing with this thing for hours. You just come right in here and
showed it right off the bat." I can do most anything, I
don't care what it is.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Now who taught you these jobs?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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I just picked it up.
- BRENT GLASS:
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You just taught yourself?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Yes, just picked it up.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Did anybody stand over you and say, "All right, now you do this
and you do that"?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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No. Now, you see, I'll tell you what I'll do;
here's the way I am. If something happened over there you
call me. And if you've got to go ahead and tell me,
I'll tell you, "Fix it then. If you know what to do,
do it. You fix it." See, I'd throw my things down
and walk off. And some of them said, "Let him alone.
He'll fix it when you all get away." Then
I'd go in and go back and fix it when all of them leave. I
remember one day they told me to take my men and go out there and unload
that ring machine out of the truck. Well, I went out there and I got
everything set up. Here come two of them out there telling me what to
do. I stood there and listened to them. I said,
"Y'all give me this job, didn't
you?" They said "Yes." I said, "Well
let me run it." Went right on off. Four o'clock come
and I had that thing setting there in the plant, and they
don't know how I done it.
- BRENT GLASS:
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How did you do it?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Well, I just had my way mapped out and told my boys what to do and how to
do it, and we just done it all right.
- BRENT GLASS:
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So you had a group of men that you were sort of the leader of?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Yes, I used to operate with twenty-three men.
- BRENT GLASS:
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On which job was this?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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The pressing crew, making sewer pipe. See, I worked mostly at night.
Nobody but me, see; I'd be there. Everybody wanted to work
with me. But we'd always do a lot of work. We'd
always do it, and nobody grumbling and fussing and fighting. Just
whatever I told them, that's what went.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Well, what were your hours? How many hours a day would you work?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Well, I didn't have no certain time. I was supposed to work
eight hours. But sometimes I'd leave here in the morning at
seven o'clock; I may not be back home no more 'til
tomorrow about two or three o'clock.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Why is that?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Something'd break down, I'd stay there and fix it.
And then at night I wouldn't go off and leave nothing so that
when the day man came on he couldn't work. If I did
I'd tag him and tell him what to do. I'd be back
sometime tomorrow about ten or eleven o'clock to fix it. I
never would go off and leave him in the hole. I'd always have
something for him to do when he got there.
- BRENT GLASS:
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Were most of the people that you worked with black or white?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Black.
- BRENT GLASS:
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They all lived in this neighborhood?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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Part of them did. Part of them lived in Reidsville and everywhere, just
different places.
- BRENT GLASS:
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How much did they pay you? How much did you start out getting paid?
- JOHNNIE JONES:
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When I started out? I got ten cents an hour when I started out; I was
about fourteen years old then. And it just kept a'going up. I
never made two dollars and a half a day at that plant in my life. I went
up and I got more all the time. If I didn't think it was
enough, I'd go tell them, "I don't think
it's enough." I wouldn't have no
introduction; they'd pay me some more.