Robert Williams's assertiveness unites the black community in Monroe
Her family lived under the constant threat of violence, Williams remembers. When threats came, she and members of the rifle club slept at their house in shifts. Robert's assertiveness united factions of the black community against white supremacists, helping protect Robert and educating the community in the process.
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Oral History Interview with Mabel Williams, August 20, 1999. Interview K-0266. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- DAVID CECELSKI:
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Do you have to— [unclear] just
having a rifle club today. People know how to shoot. Did you have to
take greater and greater measures to protect yourself.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Oh yes. Some nights we were fortunate if we were able to get four hours
sleep. And we slept in shifts at home because the threats—the
telephone threats, the hate mail—stuff would come through the
mail saying what they were going to do. People on the
street—. I remember one time a little boy—his name
was Prentice Robinson, I believe, was beaten up by some white men. They
thought he was Rob's son. They beat him up downtown. Our kids
had to—. We had to restrict their activities. They
couldn't go to the movies anymore. And they
couldn't go out with the kids and play on Saturdays and play
like other kids did because that was after the—. It was known
that Rob had kids and that they were in danger. We had applied for them
to go to what is now East Elementary School. And the boys—.
We talked it over with the boys and they agreed to do it. And so we
tried to get them into that school. And that in itself is a real
experience that I will never forget. Sitting in the school board meeting
and the superintendent who was a white superintendent. Always the superintendent was white. Kirkman. Never will
forget, Kirkman. And that was the first time I had seen a white man and
a black man go toe-to-toe, and that was Robert and Kirkman. And Robert
stood up to him in such a way that Kirkman was almost in tears at the
end of that meeting. He was so angry and so—. I think he was
in a state of shock. Robert told him about the times he would come into
our black school with his hat on and call our black teachers by their
first names. And have them trembling and shaking and so afraid. And
telling the children, "Be quiet, sups in the building. Sups in
the building. Shh." And Robert remembered all of that. And when
he brought it out in that board meeting and Kirkman tried to deny it.
Rob said, "You know you're lying. You know you did
that", you know. "And how intimidated you had all the
teachers. And how intimidated you had all of us as children. And
you're going to tell me that our school is as good as your
school. Did you do that to the white teachers, you know, calling them by
their first names? Never a Miss this or a Mrs. that, you know."
And I remember somebody saying, "Before there would be
integration in Monroe blood would run in the street knee-deep"
at that board meeting. And I was scared to death. I was scared. And
I'm sure Robert had some fear in him. But he just stood up
and he did all the talking. And I just sat there. And they asked me, you
know, and I said, "Yes. Yes, you know. That's what
we want." But—
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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What he said.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Yeah. Whatever he said, that's it, you know. But—
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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So you really had to almost fortify the house.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Um-hmm, yes. And people would come after threats that we would think
that might be—they might be really coming. We'd
call and people would come from our rifle club group and sit up with us.
Take turns, sleep on the floor, sleep on the couch. But somebody would
stand guard on the porch. So, yeah, we went through a period when that
was going on all the time. And at one time we got calls around the
clock. Just nuisance, you know, just to keep you awake and to disturb
you. And you'd answer and they wouldn't say
anything, you know, whatever. So all those kinds of things were going
on.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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But did the Klan ever come into the neighborhood?
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Oh yeah. They came into the neighborhood on several occasions. I
remember one night they came—some of them came into the
neighborhood. And the fellows got out into the street and shot above the
cars. And you could hear cars screeching and flying everywhere. And they
went out of the neighborhood. And I don't recall them ever
coming back again after that. Yeah, yeah. We had lots of support of the
neighbors in the community because they were very proud of the fact that
Robert was standing up. And he was getting the young people to stand up
with him. We had a youth group that the ones who were picketing the
pool, who wanted to see a change, those young boys and girls, mostly the
young boys, had been fighting each other before they got involved in the
civil rights movement. They had the Quality Hill Gang fighting against
the Green Street Gang. And them against the New Town Gang. But when they
got involved in civil rights they all started working together and
having good relations. And the gang stuff went down. The older fellows
taught them how to shoot but also taught them that
they, hopefully, would never have to shoot. But they taught them how to
use guns safely and what guns are for. And so that was good. So the
young people grew a lot mentally, intellectually during the movement
because the older men and the women were taking the time to talk to them
and to listen to them, and see what was going on.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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What were the big [unclear] during the
movement during those years, before y'all left. Survival was
a big one.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Yes, that was the big one. That was the big one.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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But if you had to [unclear] .
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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I think the biggest thing was the educating of the people, the black
people. And the raising of the awareness of the need to struggle even
though we didn't have a lot of victory victories at that time
that you could say, "Oh well, we won the right to do this. Well
we won the right to go the library because the mayor said he
didn't read anyway." Or didn't use the
library anyway. So little things like that. But I think the biggest
impact was the fact that people began to say, "Yes, we do need
to stand up. Yes. We do need to struggle."