Robert Williams displays guns to intimidate white segregationists
Williams remembers that Robert sometimes wore his gun, or guns, on his belt to send a signal to white segregationists. It was an effective intimidation tool.
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Oral History Interview with Mabel Williams, August 20, 1999. Interview K-0266. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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And during
that time did I tell you that Rob had run for mayor?
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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I never heard that.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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You never heard that? He ran for the mayor of Monroe.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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That's not in the book either, I don't think.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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I don't recall whether it is or not. But he ran for mayor of
Monroe. And then the night of the counting of the votes, went downtown
by himself with his guns on to watch them count the votes. And I got on
the phone and called the rifle club members and told them. And so by the
time they got through counting the votes there was a group of black men
down there. [Laughter]
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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With guns.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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With guns waiting for him to finish looking at the—. He said,
"Well I didn't want anybody to put their lives on
the line for me." So he wouldn't tell anybody he was
going. But I told them he was down there by himself.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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And he wore his guns where people could see them?
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Yeah. He wore them in a holster on his hip.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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Only one?
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Oh yeah. Sometimes he would wear two guns.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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Was this [unclear]
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Legal by—
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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Would that be typical for Robert at that time? He'd go around
with a gun through town, wearing a piece.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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He didn't do that often because most of the time he just had
it in the car. But when he started getting threats, then he started
doing that. Especially when they had a Klansman on the courthouse square
getting petitions and Dr. Perry out of town. A Klansman with a table on
the courthouse lawn.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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So would Robert wear a holster?
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Uh-huh. Robert went up to this Klansman who was getting petitions and
asked him, said, "Well, who is this Robert Williams? Do you
know him?" And he said, "No, I don't know
him." "But he's a dangerous man. Caused a
lot of problems here in Monroe and we want to get rid of him."
And Robert told him, said, "Well, I'll tell you who
Robert Williams is. I'm Robert Williams. And if
you're planning to run me out of town, it's going
to take more than a petition." And he said
the Klansman said, "Well, I just wanted to let you—.
I didn't know that. I'm just doing what they told
me to do." [Laughter] Oh, but it
was after then because they had somebody named Hornbecker who was a Klan
recruiter. And Robert had seen him several times at the police station.
And that also made him know that the officials were allowing him to
recruit right on the grounds of the law. And so when Rob found out about
the law saying that you could carry, have a gun as long as
it's not concealed, he started wearing his to let them know,
"You can petition, but don't try to do it
physically", you know.