Method suggested for obtaining social change
In a pluralistic American society, Fuller insists that Americans must acknowledge racial and economic differences. He argues that such acceptance and an uncomfortable shift of power between the powered and the powerless will produce effective and genuine racial and economic change.
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Oral History Interview with Howard Fuller, December 14, 1996. Interview O-0034. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- HOWARD FULLER:
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So what do I talk about after a conference like this? I want to talk
about change. And I want to talk about the struggle to make things
better for people who are poor and who are powerless. The one thing that
all of you who are struggling—and the younger people
understand as you continue to struggle—is that most people
want change as long as nothing changes. [Laughter]
It's like you come to a conference and people feel
liberated because they discussed change. Not because
they're going to change anything,
it's the discussion about the change. People talk about all
these win-win strategies in America today. But if there's
going to be any change, many times there can't be no win-win.
Because there's got to be a transfer of power, and when you
start talking about transferring power, there's no way for
everybody to leave happy. Everybody leaves happy from some of these
things, and I know ain't nothing happened.
This change thing that I want to talk about, I want you to think about it
in deep ways. If there's going to be change in America, you
have to deal with the issues of race and class. Cause both of these
issues have a direct impact on the life chances of people. This society
never has been colorblind, will never be colorblind, and, at one level,
shouldn't be. Now let me explain. It's like people
come up to me and say, "When I see you, I don't see
a black man." [Laughter] Well
I'm like, "Tell me, what do you see?" So
the issue is not that you see a black man, the issue is what
difference does it make? And for you to say that you
see me, and you just see a human—that's what Ralph
Ellison talked about in Invisible Man. I am not
invisible, I am not a figment of your imagination. I
am who I am. And so to really understand me you have to see me. And you
can't see me if you don't see that I'm
black. So the issue in America is not that we're going to
become colorblind, the issue in America is that
we're not going to allow color or gender or disabilities or
sexual orientation to determine what our relationship is going to be.
So, you can't function in America without having a deep
understanding about race. And it is about pluralism, it is not about
assimilation. It isn't really so much about a melting pot, I
want more of a stew—you know, where they got all of the
ingredients, but they're all sticking up in there. They
didn't get all blended so you don't know where
they at. You know, the potatoes is there, and if you're still
eating that red meat, that's there, and all of this stuff is
there in this stew, so that everybody sees that. If you can begin to
visualize it that way, we can begin to have a different conversation
about how we move forward. A young lady today talked about
"celebrating diversity." You can't
celebrate diversity unless you recognize it's existence. And
you celebrate the strength that the diversity brings, you
don't move to try to make it not be there. So, race is right
there. Class is right there.
There is nothing quaint or redeeming about being poor. You got these
people who start intellectualizing about poverty. The only people in
America who would tell you that money is not important are people with
money. [Laughter] Don't hear no
poor people standing up and talking about how wonderful this is. I mean,
it's always interesting. People say that throwing money at
poverty won't end the problem. How does one end poverty
without money? And so the reality of it is, if you're poor in
America, you're in the vicious cycle. Because in America you
need resources to have influence. If you're poor, you
don't have resources, so how do you have influence? Long
term, it's always been my view, that the way you get people
out of poverty is to put them in a position where they can have relative
economic self-sufficiency.