Governor Moore resists involvement in pro-integration decree
Herring describes Governor Dan K. Moore in this excerpt, and perhaps reveals something about the delicate political positioning of southern politicians during desegregation. He describes a historic moment, when the State Board of Education was poised to decree an end to segregation. Moore wanted nothing to do with it.
Citing this Excerpt
Oral History Interview with William Dallas Herring, February 14, 1987. Interview C-0034. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- JAY JENKINS:
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You're already touched on Dan Moore, very deliberate but a
very solid…
- WILLIAM DALLAS HERRING:
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There's one thing I must tell you about him. We got the final
word from the U.S. Justice Department that the schools of North Carolina
had to be integrated. It was some kind of form, resoluation number
442—something like that, I've forgotten exactly.
The staff people from U.S. Justice were continually coming down there,
even from the days of Wade Moody, to tell us that we had
to—that we couldn't do this, we
couldn't do that. We would ask them what is legal, and they
wouldn't tell you.
We got this resolution, and I felt it was an historic moment in the
history of the state. The State Board of Education had to decree that
the schools could not be segregated anymore, anywhere, at anytime, under
any circumstances. We were really without authority to make that kind of
high policy for the state, and it was out of context. I said,
"We must go over and report this to Governor Moore so it will
not be said after we sign it that we did this on our own." You
know, he was a Superior Court judge, and that was his whole posture as
governor. He didn't decide until after everybody else had
filed their briefs, and then he said you write the judgment, and
I'll sign it. Well we went in there. Pritchett was the senior
member of the board and an attorney and understood it. Dr. Carroll was
present. I asked both of them to speak to the governor in the presence
of the board and tell him the nature of our visit and what we had. Dr.
Carroll took the lead, and Pritchett supported him. He didn't
say anything. Dr. Carroll repeated some of the same things that he said
because the silence became awkward. I felt like saying,
"If it please the court, what the hell is your
judgment
[laughter]
?" He leaned back in his chair, smoking a
cigar—if I recall correctly. Dr. Carroll said,
"Well, Governor, that's the situation. What is your
counsel?" He said, "Gentlemen, it's your
problem." That's all he said. It astounded me. I
just was not expecting that kind of an answer from him. I
don't say that critically, I'm just putting the
facts of record straight. We thanked him and got up and left and went
back and signed the paper and nobody paid any attention to it, but the
Justice Department
[laughter]