Okay Walt. Well, it's a pleasure to have you here. From a
personal background standpoint I was born on March 11, 1937. Born in
Rocky Mount, North Carolina. Born into a family that had somewhat of an
agrarian tradition. My grandfather and his father started a mercantile
business and an agricultural processing and provisioning business back
in the late 1800s, which is the environment that my mother grew up in.
She grew up in Battleboro, North Carolina which is a little bit north of
here. I had a couple of uncles, or at least my grandfather's
brothers, one was a physician and one started the Planters'
National Bank in Rocky Mount. So from a traditional standpoint
I'd say that we've been in eastern North Carolina
for a long time and family-wise, have been involved in the creation or
evolution of a number of institutions here. That all tends to affect
your focus on life and your philosophy on life.
I, of course, went through the years of the Second World War observing
that and watching very carefully and seeing how that influences
one's outlook. I went to public schools here in Rocky Mount.
That was back during the time when they had separate but
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that point with members of the black community from an academic
standpoint. I had a tremendous amount of interaction with members of the
black community from an agrarian standpoint because of the fact that
during that period of time the holdings for which my father was
responsible involved about 1,000 tenant farmers, most of whom were
black, practically all of them were black. So I would spend my summers
with my father traveling on the farms, and I had an interaction with a
lot of young black children that I've grown up to
see—now that I'm grown, but it was more in a, I
suppose, tenant-landlord relationship that I, that they viewed the
relationship. There was a certain distance that I reckon was just
inherent in that relationship. But I did go to school here in Rocky
Mount until the eighth grade.
At that time, my parents decided that my long term education could be
better served by going away to a private school. They looked at a lot of
schools out of state, ultimately choosing the Asheville School for Boys
in Asheville, North Carolina. I went off to the Asheville School at
about twelve and a half years old with my initial greeting being that
you will repeat the eighth grade because we started foreign languages
and algebra back in the eighth grade, and I had not had that in grammar
school. I spent five enjoyable, rigorous, intimidating years, I reckon,
in that environment, which back in that era, it certainly
didn't have the liberal and flexible overtones that it does
now. You stayed there, and they kept you scared to death that you were
going to fail out the whole time. I think it was part of the
Page 3 strategy to keep your nose to the grindstone. And it was a
commitment. It was a commitment that was undertaken under duress. I
definitely didn't want to go away to school and miss all the
social circumstances that were available in high school and be subject
to the strictures of an all boys' school environment. But in
retrospect, I think it was the finest thing that my parents could have
done for me. And it again points out the fact that children
don't have a knowledge base sufficient to make a lot of those
critical path decisions along the way. I spent five enjoyable years
there, involved in athletics. I did not have an outstanding academic
record because I enjoyed myself in many ways socially and athletically.
Finishing that, I suppose, it was more or less preordained, in the sense
of family tradition, that you would go to UNC-Chapel Hill which I wanted
to go to anyway. And from not only going to UNC-Chapel Hill, but going
to the Deke House where my father was a Deke, and I had a brother who
was two years older that was a Deke. So I went to the Deke House and to
Chapel Hill and spent an enjoyable college career, not really very
committed to the academic side of things because basically the first two
years was a repeat of what I'd already had in prep school so
that I was able to coast. I coasted perhaps for too long and then
collided with the fact that I hadn't been tending to my
business and ultimately ended up leaving UNC-Chapel Hill to go into the
military for a short stint on the six-month, six-years type National
Guard Reservist type program. During that stint, before I returned to
Chapel Hill, I got married. And when I came back,
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had a greater sense of dedication to finishing my junior year at Chapel
Hill.
I decided at that time, because of a lack of focus in the undergraduate
area, that I would go ahead and skip the third year and go right on to
law school with the combination AB-JD degree, LLD degree. So I went out
of, finished the undergraduate program and went on to Chapel Hill to law
school where apparently I got pretty enthused about things and with the,
let's say, the taming of my life style by being married and
having a certain sense of responsibility. I enjoyed an, you know,
interesting academic undertaking. I did very well. Graduated with
honors; was on the Law Review.
Again, I suppose, almost in a preordained fashion—my father
was an attorney who had practiced for some years. Had been a district
attorney down here. Then at the time that my grandfather died, and my
grandmother began to seek some advice and counsel and guidance on
running the farms, he got involved in that aspect of it. So he began to
be pulled away from the practice of law into the practice of business. A
brother-in-law had tried it before that and didn't like it,
but my father seemed to be more inclined and involved, you know, in
agriculture and excited about it, and he ultimately ended up tracking in
that direction. So that during my childhood years and during my early
adulthood, I had observed him as a licensed but non-practicing attorney
who had devoted a good portion of his time and business interests to
agriculture.
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But those interests had begun to spread out in the early 1950s. He got
into an oil distribution business. And then through contacts with
Governor Luther Hodges and Harold Makepiece and Senator B. Everett
Jordan, he became acquainted with the Howard Johnson restaurant/motel
franchise system. At that time Governor Hodges had as many of the Howard
Johnson system franchises as any one person was allowed to have at that
time, which was five.
Because my father had been involved in politics and because my father had
made a commitment, at Governor Hodges' request, to come back
into politics after he had left in the early 1950s, having decided that
he would not run for governor…. I have seen the booth in
Charlotte Airport where he pointed to me, that he and Dan Moore sat down
and decided who was going to run for governor. My father had made that
decision back in the early 1950s—that he wanted to return
home to be with his family and did not want to be owned by the party
which is a part of the process when you're elected to the
highest elected office in the state.
So I observed his political activities and his involvement in
agriculture, and I suppose, it was more or less preordained that I would
come back and practice law, sort of on a part time basis for two or
three years. And then at the same time, I inherited the responsibility
for the agricultural investment side of the house. I spent ten years in
that side of the house, and it became apparent that I
couldn't run that business and stay on top of the legal end
of things sufficiently to where it wasn't
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too expensive to my clients to keep current every time I had a new
problem, a new situation to face. So I came out of law school in 1963,
moved back to Rocky Mount, and immediately went in to be his understudy
in the M.C. Braswell Company. I went through the debutante, naivete
stages of reorganizing that company. That was one of the great things
about my father. That is, he would see you making a mistake but unless
it was a significant mistake or one that he thought was terminal, he
would let you make it for the purposes of gaining your own education and
developing your own sense of judgment.
I think he had a certain commitment and emotional involvement in
agriculture that I never had. My emotional commitment to business is
basically that I enjoy the process, the actual business that
I'm in doesn't make a whole lot of difference to
be. I enjoy just being in various types of business. But he had an
emotional attachment to agriculture. We used to laugh a lot because
I've never found in my history of twenty-five years of being
around agriculture, if you added up all the money you made and all the
money you lost in that twenty-five years, you'd be behind the
game. It used to be that you lived poor and died rich because you had
inflation to build the values in there—that your heirs would
live well if you did not live well. You know that's been
deflated.
But I got, you know, I was more or less selected as lead member of the
next generation. I have a brother who's older
who's been involved in various types of landscape
architecture. He went to landscape architecture school. He's
a graduate of
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places, and he's chosen a different work style than I have. I
had a cousin who had his own business ventures, and therefore the
responsibility for running the business affairs of my mother and two
aunts, at least from an agricultural standpoint, fell my lot as it had
fallen my father's lot, by choice, in the early 1930s. He had
chosen to go over there and help my grandmother take over that venture,
and he had gotten very involved in it. At that time, agriculture was the
basic industry, the primary industry, of North Carolina, and it was a
primary footing for a major political base across the state, with the
Grange and the Farm Bureau. He was involved in politics, and he
developed a lot of contacts through his agricultural involvement that
sort of fitted into the process of being elected and being appointed to
various boards, the Milk Commission and things like that. I took on the
agricultural situation because it was more or less what was expected. I
spent ten years over there wrestling with it during periods of
cost-price squeeze and trying to make it into a factory which it just
does not lend itself to that type of structure. It's a
business that consists of a lot of entrepreneurial people who are
individually in it for reasons other than strictly making money.
It's a lifestyle and other sorts of things, and I
didn't relate to the lifestyle like my father did. I mean, he
used to go out….