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Thinking back I guess to high school, the different activities and stuff, were they well integrated.

KATHRYN CHEEK:

Seems I remember they were. I don't remember a lack of integration. Dances and all that kind of stuff I remember being mixed. And, again, you didn't think about it, that's just the way it was. It wasn't "Oh this is a mixed event." That's just the way it was.

SUSAN UPTON:

What about like, interaction I guess between the students?

KATHRYN CHEEK:

Well, I had what I considered to be friends that were black, as well as white. Now, they weren't close friends like some of the white kids were. I mean, they didn't come to my house and I didn't go to their house. But at school we were friends, and you know, activities after school we'd talked and that sort of stuff. Different though, I mean there was definitely a barrier, unacknowledged, unspoken, or whatever, but there was definitely a barrier.

SUSAN UPTON:

The other thing that's kinda come up in some of the other stuff I have is Chapel Hill having such high class differences. Do you remember-

KATHRYN CHEEK:

Ohh yes. [Laughter]

SUSAN UPTON:

What do you remember about that?

KATHRYN CHEEK:

Well, there was an in-crowd and a not in-crowd and most of the in-crowd were professors's kids. I think probably for segregation, or desegregation, Chapel hill was the exception to any rule in the South. I can't-I mean I know we had some of the same things, but we were probably very very very very different than I mean if you went to Pittsboro and asked some of the same questions I bet you'd get very different answers from people the same age as me. Or Burlington or wherever. I think we were probably very different, very ahead of the time, because of Chapel Hill being a melting pot and a non-typical typical Southern town. But, yes I do remember a significant class difference. You knew who the rich kids were and who they weren't.