African Americans in Monroe facilitate Robert Williams's militant resistance
Williams describes the way in which Robert's militancy fit into the wider African American community. Though the white community saw Robert as a threat, he found allies in elderly women, who hid weapons African Americans were using to defend themselves. Elderly African Americans were fed up with their treatment by white segregationists, Williams explains, and appreciated that Robert was a useful member of their community.
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Oral History Interview with Mabel Williams, August 20, 1999. Interview K-0266. Southern Oral History Program Collection (#4007) in the Southern Oral History Program Collection, Southern Historical Collection, Wilson Library, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
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- DAVID CECELSKI:
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[unclear] He was a dangerous man to have
around. Dangerous man to be married to. Dangerous man to have as your
neighbor. Sounds like [unclear] .
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Yeah. It may sound like that. But everybody in the neighborhood who knew
Robert, and knew his family, and knew his activity knew that Robert
cared about his people.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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And they rose to the situation.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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They rose to the situation especially the old women. Robert always was a
person who would go and sit, and talk with the older people and learn
from them, and listen to them. And they knew that. They knew that. I
remember a Mrs. King was one of his mother's best friends.
His mother passed away the year we were married. But her best friend was
Mrs. King who lived right down the street near us. And she came and told
him one day, or he went down there and she told him, said, "The
FBI came down here saying they wanted to give you a job. And wanting to
know about your activities. And I told them that if they wanted to know
anything about you to go up there and ask you or your Daddy or some of
your people. That I wasn't about to tell them
anything." She said, "I don't know what
them people were up to. They said they were from the FBI and they were
getting ready to give you a good job."
[Laughter]
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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And who was the lady that hid weapons?
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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His aunt, the older lady. The one I told you the FBI said she was worse
than him. Oh, no. She did, too.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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[unclear]
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Oh yes. But Mrs. Crowder who was a neighbor a couple of doors below us,
when we went back to Monroe, Rob and I came back to Monroe, Mrs. Crowder
had some of those guns in her attic that had been there. She had hid
some of the guns in her house.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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She was a domestic or—?
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Just a domestic, an older lady, a lady who had been in the community for
years, church-going. All of these people were Christian church-going
people.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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And she was hiding weapons for Rob?
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for the community.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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For the community.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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For the community because she felt that if that community had
to—. If the Klan came—. Those people were
really—. Our people were really fed up with the crap that the
Klan had been intimidating them with for all these years. I remember one
family. I think you saw me speak to a young man this morning. A young
man who came in. He's in the military now. No,
he's retired from the military. He used to be one of our
neighbors. And his grandma told us stories about their family down in
Georgia and how they had been run out by the Klan. They had been run out
of Georgia, her husband, just for speaking up. They had run all the way
from Georgia and had settled in North Carolina. Well, needless to say,
they certainly didn't want to see the Klan come into our
community and do what they had done in Georgia. So—and most
of these men who had worked on the railroad were
really—I'll say mentally—they were
not—they were impacted by the racism of the white workers on
the railroad. And how it impacted our community. They could see how they
white men had no respect for us. And the fact that most of the black men
who worked on the railroad were—they could never get a job as
say a boilermaker. But they would get the job as a boilermaker helper.
That's what Daddy John was. Daddy
John was the one who washed the boilers down. And he was the one who did
the boilermaker work because the boilermaker, even though he had the
name and the job and got the pay, most of the time he'd be
drunk and he knew he didn't have to produce. He had John
there to produce for him. And the same thing about most of the black men
from that community who worked on the railroad. And they could see the
inequities of the system, and how they disrespected them and got away
with it. But they were getting the big pay. And so they could hear them
talking about being Klan members and, you know, there was nothing that
they felt like they could do about it at the time, way back them. But
they certainly didn't like it and they passed that on to
their children, you know, letting them know, that you know, these folks
are no good for us. They don't really mean us any good. So
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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What I'm trying to understand [unclear]
I guess what I mean is your relationship, the connection between
the people [unclear] . I know, of course,
your neighbors were tired of the Klan. But neighbors all over North
Carolina were tired of the Klan. You know what I mean. I mean people had
been through it everywhere or at least that's what I assume.
I assume that New Town wasn't like—that it was a
fairly average place with the exception of Robert Williams. Do you know
what I mean?
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Yeah, yeah.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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And that maybe the people were ready, but –
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Well you know at a time when Robert first got to be the president of the
NAACP some of his old classmates and school mates would cross the street
uptown to keep from speaking to him.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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Well, right. That's what you were talking about [unclear] .
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Right. And they were afraid. But the older people, the older people were
the ones in our neighborhood. They were the ones who were most
supportive it seems to me. I mean the older, old folks. I'm
not talking about the ones of Robert's age. I'm
talking about these old people who were just fed up with the crap that
the white folks had put them through all these years. And when they saw
this young man who was a product of their community. The son of Emma
Williams who was one of the known Christian women in their community.
That they had prayer meeting at his house, you know. And here is this
young man that Emma had taught to respect us and to come and bring in
wood and coal for us. And do chores around the house. And now
he's down there raising a family and he's teaching
his boys to come and work for us and help look out for us. Come and read
to us if there's something—if we have some papers
we don't understand. Call Robert Williams, he'll
come down and explain them to you, you know. Those kinds of things.
Those are the people that I'm talking about in our community
that were—they weren't afraid of Rob.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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That's very interesting.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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And they would get so angry when they knew that the police were
harassing him, or somebody, you know the Klan was trying to harass him.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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How would they show their support? Some of them would [unclear] hide guns.
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Yeah. But that was the—that's not the norm. But
they just never broke off any relationship. You know, they would visit,
or call for us to come and visit. Fix food for us on occasion. Call us
down to come. "Come. I fixed a special pot
of this, that and the other." Take care of the kids when we
needed somebody to baby-sit.
- DAVID CECELSKI:
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[unclear]
- MABEL WILLIAMS:
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Yeah. But, like I said, that was the older people. And they knew that
Rob was not teaching anything that was detrimental to them or even
teaching the young people anything detrimental. And sometimes if the
kids were getting out of line, they'd call Rob to talk to
them, you know. So that's the way that went.