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ALICIA ROUVEROL:

And when you said like some of those programs might have been supported by UNICEF, were any of them US Aid programs, because I know some of those were done internationallyߞ.

KATUSHKA OLAVE:

Yeah, there was a lot. It's a lot. And the bad thing of those programs, and that's whyߞ.

ALICIA ROUVEROL:

Kind of problematic, some of them.

KATUSHKA OLAVE:

I think that was a period of time when we started doing this, when it was called "popular participation," because all these organizations they were coming andߞ. You know what, it is kind of coming back around the circle, because now I feel that there are a lot of organizations also here and projects, it doesn't mean they are bad or hurting anybody, but just in the communities, when I say "communities" I am not referring only to Latinos, any other communities, using them as a toy to do any project but you are not giving them any good. You just use them. And that's the way they were feeling. And they feel community when you just use them. You know, some of these organizations they did really nice work, but then there was for a short period, and then when their program or whatever, the project was ending they left and they forgot. And so they left all these people with all these dreams, you know hopes, with hopes, and that's what I don't like.