John and Melville Ivey discuss the relationship between Howard Odum and Frank Porter Graham during the 1940s. According to the Iveys, Odum and Graham generally came together over the issue of race, although they differed in their approach to solving problems of racism and segregation. As they recall, Odum was more concerned with social issues (hence his involvement with the Southern Regional Council) while Graham was more interested in political issues. Their comments here demonstrate how two different leadership styles and problem-solving approaches revolved around the issue of race in the South.